also at the table, laura flanders and ari melber. what is the position of panetta and of defense on this? i want to understand what is the pushback against doing this? >> the defense department has recently opened up 14,000 jobs to women. it is sort of scratching the surface. i call them bread crumbs really that they have offered to women that have already served in iraq and afghanistan. they are not opening up any additional m.o.s., military occupational specialties. women still cannot be infantry or in special forces. they can't be in armored units and so on. 14,000 is really a minority of those 238,000 positions we have been talking about. >> look. we're at ten years into war, more than ten years into war. with an all volunteer force, you would think at this moment, when people want to serve, you want to make as many opportunities for service as possible, wouldn't you? >> the administration has done that. a couple of administrations have done it now. opening up criteria for people to be able to join. it is outrageous this continue